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A friend asked me to put some thought together to define liberal as I see it ...

Here's what I wrote:

Hi John ... I think both ... a freedom to think broadly, experimentally - but clearly, for me, the term represents the best in America's political story - that which gave us the National Parks and child labor laws; that which abolished slavery and established civil rights for people of color and women.

The liberal spirit busted the trusts under Teddy Roosevelt, gave us Social Security under FDR and promoted unions to protect the working class and build the middle class.   John, you ask good questions: For the church, a place of free inquiry because of a solid faith, not in spite of it, with less emphasis on "winning souls" and a lot more emphasis on living the faith, and letting God do the winning through our witness (my Calvinism is showing!).

I think the struggle today for Gay Rights is akin to the struggle for civil rights and women's suffrage and ordination. Why the church tends to be last in line on so many of these things astounds me. We talk of heaven, but seemingly close our eyes to the hell in which so many millions are forced to live their days.   Socially, a safe society - where aliens have an easier time of it, where employers are penalized for illegal hiring rather than gathering up these poor families late at night and deporting them.

We have to recover our manufacturing basis - if there were a crisis and the shipping lanes disrupted, we couldn't make our own refrigerators anymore. We need to sever the link between employment and health care and put it where it belongs - in government.

We need a major public transportation effort to curb our fuel usage and rebuild our cities around it rather than freeways (and I live in LA) We have to learn how to curb our spending, learn to live with less, pay more for what we have to support our middle class and keep jobs here in America.

Our corporations have to be leashed; and super-wealth taxed! Junk food and corn syrup banned! Feed McDonald's executives their own crap three times a day for a month, take away their cars and make them use public transportation.  Oh well, you asked ... a lot of random thoughts.  John, tell me more about your vision, for the church and for our society.



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Response from Jim Dove, February 13, 2010
Bluffton, SC
I believe these issues are political and only divide our churches. About 50% of Americans agree with each side, and when our church weighs in on one side or the other, we lose potential visitors and members. As a former outreach elder, I believe we tarnish our image as a group of loving people that worship the living Christ. Have we become a group of radical, envelope pushing radicals that are doing the work of politicians and lawyers, two of the most hated groups of Americans? Both sides promoting these hot-button issues are guilty of using the church to push their agendas. I believe our church loses while the politicians and lawyers win. Can this type of radical opinion help us as we struggle to keep our church doors open? The under 50 crowd stays home and lets mainline Christian churches and their leaders smile as they knife each other in the back. It is one thing to work for these causes in our private lives, but to associate our church with political agendas on the left or the right is indefensible. Outreach? What Outreach? Is this a loving Christian outlook? Does it help our church?
Response from Adel Thalos, February 12, 2010
Snellville, GA
Sounds like an excellent formula for both religious and political tyranny.
Response from Deborah Berkley, February 11, 2010
Bellevue, WA
Why, in a church blog, do I have to read vulgar words that I dislike hearing or reading ("Feed McDonald's executives their own crap")? Whatever happened to Paul's admonition in Romans to consider our Christian brothers' and sisters' sensibilities? Are we becoming just like the world, or can we be different?

Deborah Milam Berkley
Bellevue, IL

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